Dreams, God, tomatoes

I was perusing the Christianity Today website, following an emailed link about devotions for men.  I ran across an interview with the creator of Veggie Tales who answered a question about the loss of his "Big Ideas" company through bankruptcy with these resonating words:  "The emotional longings we attach to our "dreams" often say more about the unmet needs of our childhood's than God's calling on our lives."'  I recognized this feeling and asked a couple of my best friends, my sister Kila and Rob Nollan for their response.


Are dreams unmet longings?

Kila and Rob;

I consider you both mature friends who are sound, reflective thinkers.  Here is something I would like to hear your ruminations on, by Paul Vischer, inventor of Veggie Tales.  He was responding to a question in an interview on Christianity Today website, "What are you dreaming about now for the future?"  He answered...

"The emotional longings we attach to our "dreams" often say more about the unmet needs of our childhoods than God's calling on our lives." 

Wow.  That resonated me with me as i thought about my "missionary" expereince in Malawi years ago.  I realized that my "dream" at that time definitely was more about my emotional needs than it was about God and a vision for his work in the world.  Can you offer me some of your thoughts?

Jay

... a mug 'o beer

Hi, Jay.  After a four-week vacation, a little bit of dinner, and a mug 'o beer, I'm feeling prepared to answer your question.

Emotional longings don't necessarily come from unmet needs of our childhood.  Often, I think mine come from the fulfilled needs of childhood that are no longer fulfilled in adulthood.  I dream of someone always telling me I'm brilliant, witty, and handsome.  But ever since I moved away from my mother, no one else seems to share her views of my perfection!  Many of my dreams revolve around wanting people to find me brilliant, witty, and handsome.  But Phil Vischer is right... I don't think those dreams have much to do with God's calling.  That's why I like to analyze my real dreams... not my personal aspirations, but what I dream about at night.  I think God often speaks to me through them.  My two dreams recently:  first, I was at an old garage not unlike your original short-ceilinged Lone Yew Rd garage with my old '71 BMW.  It was in pieces in the yard, with mainly the chassis as the focus.  Somebody wanted to buy what was left for parts, but I was still convinced I could put it back together and get it running!  I woke up.  Later, I fell asleep and dreamed I was at a construction site.  A house had been framed up but there was no roof yet: just a floor and wall studs.  My guitar was on a stand, but outside next to the piles of dirt from the foundation footings.  I couldn't figure out why my guitar was outside, and then along came Jeremy Kelly (remember him?) and I knew that he had been coming at night and using my guitar and not putting it back where it belonged.  I was very resentful. Then I awoke.  So clearly, my first dream showed me that there are things in my life that I should have sold off and been done with a long time ago, but I still hold onto and refuse to let go.  The second dream showed me that God is trying to build something new in my life, but I'm caught up in irrelevant, minor details that revolve around the difficult people and students in my life!  I need to get over the Toledo phase: there are good friends there, but we're not going back.  And I need to set my mind on the house God is building in our lives here, but I can't be sidetracked by the difficulties that seem to be a nuisance.  The big issue is that God is building something for us here that we can live with in security.  Whether the guitar gets wet or used or replaced in the wrong place doesn't really matter... can we minister to the Jeremy Kellys of Penang?

But enough about me.  Tell me about your missionary experience in Malawi.  Tell me about your experiences in Korea.  How are they different? What are your "dreams" now?  Are they driven by God's will or by your unmet childhood desires?

Of course, these are just my initial, non-reflective thoughts.  I'll give you more of a reply when I hear your thoughts.  BTW, have you heard from Seth and Brittn recently?  I've been concerned about them for quite awhile... are they anywhere near you?

R

Things have gotten lost

Rob;

I knew it!  I knew it!  You would have some good thoughtful fodder for me if I asked you.  You are a good friend Rob.  Thanks for talking.

Details:  Yes I do live about 1 hours bus ride from Seth but he is not very communicative as in maybe he wants to not be found... He does not have a cell and I just got his email last week from Joe so I am trying to track him down and get him out for a coffee.  Joe says he and Brittn are doing poorly but I have no first hand insight.

Malawi... hmm maybe i should make a coffee and sit down to write this one.  It just about makes me cry every time it comes up.  Here is a short version: 

At Dalat as a teenager I tried to be a good kid, responsible, spritual, but I found that when I took God at face value, I always ended up being more mystical and less rational and "loving God" was not something I seemed capable of doing in a physical body.  I would read my Bible too much, pray too much, have difficulty making normal every day decisions as I tried to "seek the will of God" and so I learned to just be reasonable and participate in structural Christian acitivity taht did not threaten my ability to live normally (I went to church, had devotions lost fo the time, repsonded at SEW, etc.)

I went to colledge at Houghton College in New York for one year and was miserably lonely even after taking re-entry seminar at Narramore Foudnation in Califronia.

I left college after one year and worked at a labor job in BC for the Fall.  Then at Christmas 1984 my Dad told me about an opportunity to volunteer with a mission and go to Ethiopia.

I had an AMAZING experience in Ethiopia as a 19 year old working short term helping a mission run a food distribution program to semi-nomadic people who lived in stick and mud huts, raised sorghum and cows, drank cow blood for strength (similar to the Masai of Kenya), could dance all night (see the Masai part in "The Ghost and the Darkness" movie), and I lived in a tent, slept on the ground (outside sometimes because the stars were so amazing) heard lions at night occasionally, drove in the bush in a beat up Landcruiser (ok I beat it up with the way I drove it I suppose! :) got stranded once on a motorcycle with a flat tire and had to walk about 12 hours to the next camp, crawled into the pit of an outhouse to fetch my glasses once, met my wife to be (I thought) worked alongside a wonderful American boss, Filipino teammates, some funny Brits, an Ethiopian-Greek and did all this to help people while being in relationship with God.  I threw myself into learning language, eating native food, enjoying people (I bargained the value of my girlfriend, who vistied her folks there at the time, up to 8 cows with a local patriarch before cutting of the negotiations for fear that I might be taken seriously and actually have to sell her!) and the challenge of doing meaningful work with wonderful people in a challenging and romantic place [Three of my favorite authors became is Beryl Markham, Isak Dinesan, and Antoine de Saint-Exupery.]

That changed the trajectory of my life and I went back to school to study Human Nutrition in order to devote my life to more of the same.  Well a few things interrupted my plans:  First I realized that my girlfriend wanted to be a lawyer and that, I thought, did not fit with me working in Africa so I let her go then got furious with God that I had to do that which led to a period of frustration and distancing mysef from God.  I got back on track then met a gorgeoous girl (who I DID marry!) who felt similar about serving God overseas and our little church sponsored us to go with a small mission to Ethiopia.  Well, Ethiopia did not come around, so we accepted an assignment in Malawi.  It was tough:  Beth was sick a lot being pregnant with Amy (which we did not know most of the time), I was busy, water supply was on at 10:00 pm so that was when I washed diapers :(, the screens did not keep the mosquitos out or the scorpions or the spider hunters insects which did not help us sleep at all, I killed a little 11 year old boy while driving one day, Kylie got a terrible intestinal infection and began wasting away, then at the end of that term my boss labelled me a "racist" in my final evaluation and questioned my ability to work cooperatively with others and so Beth and I came "home" to Canada and crept into a little apartment with a baby and a toddler and tried to start life again.

I worked in a shipping office sending letters and packages and wanted to do more with my life so I went to school and got a degree then a teacher;s certficate.  Teaching jobs were very hard to get in British Columbia so I accepted my first offer at a town I never heard of 300 miles away in "Toledo, Washington."

You know most of the details from the last 9 years.

So I honestly wonder about dreams and future plans.  I don't trust my dreams, either nightly or vocationally.  I lack the ability to be reasonable in my thinking and that is, partly, why I am in a rational job teaching rational content to irrational students:  trying to keep my world from tipping over.  I guess I am really insulating myself from my own irrational and impulsive mind to the largest degree possible.  It seems every time I try to take God seriously I end up opening my mind and things not-God as well as my tendancy to irrational thought and behavior and so I do what I think a normal, rational person should.

One thing you may find too, is that most of the time I am with people I cannot relate too.  For example, in Toledo, no one ever wanted to know about Africa or Ethiopia or Malawi.  No one was interested in what I done or where I had been in the past.  I just had to pick up and be whoever I was at taht stage and leave aside huge chunks of my life to connect with the poeple on the ground. 

One reason Beth particularly, and I felt similar, did not want to work at Dalat, after my initial keenness, is that it is not the same place we left and we felt like it would be hard to be an adult, a teacher, a disciple, in the same place where we used to be kids and students and goofs.  We honestly felt ike in our minds we could not be who we are in a place that held so many memories from a time long ago.  Its ironic that feeling like a man wihtout a country I steered clear of a country I felt comfortable in, but that is the case.

So I don't have a clear response to dreams, except to say that I feel I lost some of my big dreams and lack the confidence to articulate new ones: it is easier not to have dreams.

Boy there sure is content for a story in this but if i wrote it I would have to deal with it as fiction; I don't think I can keep dealing with the same painful realites tme and again.

So this leaves me wondering what to do with these thoughts and feelings.  I guess for starters I need to listen to my students to give thema chance to tell me about things taht are important to them.  I can cathartically meet their needs; take on myself some of their hurts and in that small way bring the Kindgom of god to earth is this little tiny corner in one of the ways I can understand.

Man this is getting to be a bit too emotional for me, Rob.  I gotta go.

Love you buddy; thanks for talking and listening

Jay

What can't you not do?

Wow.

Incredible.

What a stunning story.  I had no idea!  And I am so sorry.  Wow.

I don't know how to even respond.  I've tried several times, and I just erase what I write and quit and start again later.  Jay.  Holy... wow... my goodness...

Okay. Okay. Okay.

You are coming into focus!  This explains soooo much about many of the conversations we've had.  I still remember one of our initial conversations out in the boat on the river in which you said you just don't really ever hear God speaking or feel like you know him personally or even can.  You just seemed kinda dead to God.  Well, no wonder.  You were scarred.  You opened up the package labeled "Gift from God," and it was a hand grenade with the pin pulled. BOOM!

But I've seen slow growth and recovery in your life since that time.  Going back to the initial horrible events sure is hard, eh?

I think we can know God's will.  But I don't think we can know what the results of following his will in the short term will be.  Longterm: blessings.  Short term: maybe blessings, maybe hand grenades or land mines or nuclear bombs.  One of my biggest annoyances is shallow Christians who say "Temporal blessings mean God loves you.  Suffering means God has abandoned you."  This isn't faith; it is following the path of least resistance.  That has nothing to do with God.  We can certainly follow the path of least resistance and I think we can even serve God along the way.  Open doors, closed doors.  Which ones are from God?  Does he open the ones we're supposed to go through?  Or does he instruct us to force open some of the closed ones he points out?  Are we too weak and insecure to open locked doors that he wants us to open?  Are we too stupid to not go through open, inviting doors that he hasn't pointed out?  Sometimes I can discern what I think is the will of God for my life.  But most of the time I only know what basic things he has called me to and I live out daily obedience to those instructions.  Eugene Peterson has a really encouraging book called "A Long Obedience in the Same Direction: Discipleship in an Instant Society."  It's based on Psalms 120-134.  Many of his chapters were difficult for me to read, because he often turns our expectation of God on its head.  What our world expects of God is often flat-out wrong.  He struggles with many difficult topics and he doesn't give easy band-aid answers.  See if you can find the book in your library.  That's where Elyn found the copy we have.

Sometimes, Jay, I think following God's will and knowing which of our "dreams" are from God means returning to the things we simply can't avoid.  We have no peace until we do the things he's called us to.  And we have peace when we do.  Even if they come out horribly, we know we've done what God calls us to.  It's not an easy thing to discern:  I'm often motivated to do things that Elyn tells me we shouldn't do.  How do I align my reading of God's with with her contradictory reading of God's will?  How do I align my dreams and desires with her contradictory dreams and desires?

Recently I've come to this question:  What are the things I CAN'T NOT do?  (I know it's a double negative... but the positive doesn't quite mean the same thing:  What do must I do?  That was Francis Schaeffer's question:  What then shall we do?  I asked that a lot in college.)  But it's not the same.  What then shall we do doesn't always have an answer.  When it does, the answers are often vague.  But the question, what can't I NOT do? is more direct and to the heart.  What are the things that I simply cannot escape, try as I might?  Jonah.  Jay.  Run the other direction.  Hide.  Plug your ears.  Avoid.  But sooner or later... you can't escape his will for your life.  What is it, Jay, that you haven't been able to avoid for the last 15 years?  What is it that continues to tug at your heart, even though you say you've learned to live without desires?  I know you well enough to know that you haven't really died to your desires or to your God... you've just placed them both in the deep freeze.  And they're beginning to thaw.  What will the results be?  Pain.  Just like when you come in from the cold and put your hands under the warm water.  OUCH. Ouch. ouch.

So continue thawing out, my friend.  Continue asking hard questions.  Continue seeking God.  Continue looking at your desires.  See if the two align.  See if you can ever have any peace without satisfying God's will.  See if you can have any peace without fulfilling your God-given desires.  I think you will find your life continues to come up empty until you rectify those two things.  But what's the risk?  Suffering.  And life.  You live; you suffer.  You die; and well, you're dead.  No pain.  But no life.  Sooo.... seek life.  (You don't have to seek pain: that comes on its own, right?)

Interestingly enough, I think we've traveled parallel paths to the same place.  You took a fall off a steep cliff.  I've taken numerous stumbles down gentle slopes.  You fell with your family, hit hard, lost your breath and almost your lives, and are just now recovering.  I've stumbled with my family, and we've often blamed each other for being clumsy, but I don't think we've ever done irreparable damage.  Just a few skinned knees, so to speak.  Now you and I need to stand up, dust off, and get back on the path of God's will for our lives.  And, providentially, that is our desire, isn't it?  To get back on the path of God's will for our lives.  Can we travel together?

Rob

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